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That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - retrolinkx - 11-25-2014
We all have that game that we loved, that one game that was so great and then as the sequels came out it just became worse and worse until it couldn't even be saved anymore.
Fable is a good example of this. The first one was amazing in so many different ways, but as time went on Fable 2 didn't live up to being better than Fable 1 and 3 was terribad. And Legends is not looking any better.
Tony Hawk as well. THPS1-THUG 2 were pretty rad. American Wasteland was cool too but as the games went on Project 8 and the other one I forget weren't that amazing, and then you had Ride and other terrible ones that were just terrible. I can't even remember a good modern Tony Hawk game, even the HD edition of 1 and 2 weren't that great.
Halo isn't looking good these days. 4 was pretty bad, and from what I've seen of 5 we've actually got ADS now which makes no sense for the lore since the scopes are actually additions to the HUD of the Spartan. If Halo 5 really is bad then Halo is fucking deader than dead. Right now it's just on a steady life support.
What about you guys? Any games that have just been getting worse and worse these days?
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - Psychospacecow - 11-25-2014
Sonic has been pretty poor off of recent.
Assassin's Creed has hit a bump recently, though I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - CLXcool - 11-25-2014
Final Fantasy has been in this for awhile now
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - RyeoNox - 11-25-2014
Dragon Ball Z games are dead as hell. All DBZ games from the past few years sucked, while Naruto games keeps getting better and better though.
Resident Evil ain't doing so well too. The last Resident Evil I kinda enjoyed was Dead Aim. Resident Evil 4 was good, 5 was a reskin and 6 is a disaster (until the camera patch made it slightly better). I haven't tried Revelations yet, but I liked the atmosphere of it. I might try that out.
Tenchu games are barely average after Wrath of Heaven.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - Carlos - 11-25-2014
(11-25-2014, 08:19 PM)CLXcool Wrote: Final Fantasy has been in this for awhile now.
Dang it! You beat me to it.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - Psychospacecow - 11-25-2014
To be fair, we're talking about a tv show that hasn't had a new episode in around 11 years now, not counting movies versus a series that just ended and is probably getting a spinoff. A lot of DBZ games have been hit or miss just for the "movie curse" that we see crop up a lot.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - RepentantSky - 11-26-2014
Ratchet and Clank. the last, Into the Nexus was without a doubt the best of the "short" games that have come out for the franchise, but it's still nowhere near the quality of the last full length game that came out, and the two before it were mediocre.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - Mass Distraction - 11-26-2014
Against the popular opinion, I don't think Final Fantasy or Resident Evil have gone bad. I've loved every single new RE game they've put out and while I've completely skipped FFXIII and its sequels I've been playing the handheld titles, all of which have been awesome. Looking forward to Type-0 HD and XV, previously known as Versus.
(11-25-2014, 10:03 PM)RyeoNox Wrote: [Resident Evil] 5 was a reskin
I can never understand this argument. It was a reskin just as much as RE2 and 3 were of the original and Zer0 of REmake. Just because it plays the same doesn't mean it's a reskin. Otherwise we'd be calling every single game series out there reskins of themselves.
(11-25-2014, 07:14 PM)retrolinkx Wrote: Tony Hawk as well. THPS1-THUG 2 were pretty rad. American Wasteland was cool too but as the games went on Project 8 and the other one I forget weren't that amazing, and then you had Ride and other terrible ones that were just terrible. I can't even remember a good modern Tony Hawk game, even the HD edition of 1 and 2 weren't that great.
Agreed. I stopped playing the games after THUG2 but I did purchase the remake. That was fun for a while but COME ON, no split screen?!
If I have to add something to this thread, I'd say FlatOut. I loved FO and FO2 but then they went and sold the license to some Dutch company that released a crappy knockoff they called FlatOut 3. Bugbear salvaged some of it with Ultimate Carnage but even that was just an HD update of FlatOut 2 with some additions from FO3. At least now they are back on track with Wreckfest, which is shaping out to be the real FO3 I always wanted.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - The Antagonist - 11-26-2014
Well, long videogame franchises have to come up with new ideas to stay "fresh" and not being the same thing over and over again (Mario is a very good example altough he's always popular).
People will always say that "Omega Destruction 3 is ok but the next game should change its ideas to stay fresh". And when Omega Destruction 4 comes out people will say "Uhh, this game sucks! Why did it change so much? Go back to the older games, those were awesome!".
That exact thing happened to Halo and altough I do admit that Halo 4 doesn't compare with the other ones, it's still a pretty damn good game.
Sometimes we just have to grade the game for what it is and not compare it to it's predecessors.
Also I'm a bit drunk so don't mind me too much.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - Psychospacecow - 11-26-2014
I liked Halo 4 minus the campaign and map editor. Reach spoiled me.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - BumblebeeCody - 11-26-2014
Incoming rant:
To be honest, the Zelda series. After The Wind Waker, it's where the series started to get mixed reception. I'm not talking about reviews either but while I loved Twilight Princess and find the "playing as a wolf" criticism to be a silly reason as to why the entire game was bad, it is where the series start to get worse. My personal cut off point is Twilight Princess. Everything after that just got worse.
Phantom Hourglass
Phantom Hourglass had such a terrible control scheme that it actually annoyed the hell out of me. I hated travelling back to a dungeon just to progress a little bit farther then come back again and again. The graphics are complete shit. Sorry but they are horrendous.
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I don't wanna go off on a tangent here, but Nintendo need to be called out on their bullshit of ugly graphics on hardware that can barely render a face. The 3DS is exactly the same. Aside from that, the game just felt meh. Unfortunately the control scheme gimmick is something Nintendo refuse to drop for later titles.Spirit Tracks
Exactly the same as before, just replace boats with trains. The only good thing about Spirit Tracks was that it gave us a chance to see the Zelda series become a legend. The Hero and Royal blood nearing the end of their lineage and Hyrule sealed under an ocean it could be the chance for the series, not to necessarily end, but rest in peace and on a high note. NO need for evil, a master sword, a hero of time and Zelda could establish a whole new system for the land.
But then no, fuck that "We're calling this place New Hyrule, and we'll be exactly the same as Old Hyrule".
Skyward Sword:
I'm just gonna put it bluntly, but I really don't have many nice points to say about Skyward Sword. I really don't feel the need to rant about it because I've done it before. But in a nutshell, everything the Zelda series established was ruined in a single game. The graphics where passable yet made worse by a crap system running in 360P with no anti-aliasing. With THEE WORST CONTROL SCHEME FOR A GAME EVER! I hate hate HATE motion controls. I can't begin to think who at Nintendo said "Yeah we have a working nun-chuck analogue stick but no, we'll use MOTION PLUS CONTROLS". As I said, there's so much more but I don't wanna rant on it.
A Link Between Worlds:
It's by no means a bad game but it's Zelda fan fiction published by Nintendo. It's riding off the success and promise that A Link to the Past created but made only worse by some really questionnable choices. The very second I saw "Evil guy stealing shrine maidens or princess/save the world" I sighed and quit. I love the wall painting mechanic but that's it's. Such a superficial game that brings nothing to the Zelda series. Same music, same locations, surprisingly bland and empty world, the list goes on. Again, not a badly made game, but the most pointless.
I call it fan fiction because calling the opposite dimension world 'Lorule' is just "wow yeah um no". And that plot twist/character reveal is also just as silly.
The Zelda series has now become Wash Rinse Repeat. I know, I'm hard on the Zelda series but Nintendo really are running out of ideas. The more people begin to say to Nintendo that Mario and Zelda really are just the samey old shit, then the sooner we actually get more decent fulfilling games. But these rose-tinted glasses, nostalgia and fear or criticising Nintendo seems to stop people from looking at the games objectively. Again, it's because I care :)
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - TheTrueBoss997 - 11-26-2014
I agree with Mass Distraction, I feel like FFXV can redeem itself and in terms of Resident Evil the Revelations game was great and Revelations 2 looks promising.
Most people already said what I thought but yeah I think the Assassin's Creed games are starting to repeat themselves.
Ratchet and Clank keeps coming out with these short games or games not in the traditional R&C gameplay which gives us less hope of seeing a new full R&C game.
Halo started dying after ODST and maybe it's because the series was good in the hands of Bungie.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - G-Haven - 11-27-2014
Likely going to step on some toes with this sizzling-hot opinion, so heads up.
The Elder Scrolls Series.
It's by no means a TERRIBLE series of changes, mind you, but each iteration has dumbed down features or even outright removed them.
Things like certain skill sets being reworked entirely or even just removed (Like armory went from being able to maintain own equipment to just creating weapons/armor immediately. Equipment doesn't wear down anymore because that's to hard for the casual market apparently.)
Speaking of Armor, you have less slots to work with now (9 slots of Morrowind, plus the clothing, amulet and two rings, to the current 5, with no clothing slots, one ring and amulet.) Also one less weight class (Medium) for them (two, technically with the Unarmored skill set.)
Spells have been reduced to very basics, for better or for worse. One hand, it reduces a clogged up spell-list, but on the other, the variety was helpful for certain situations (Magic limit, damage output, etc.).
Waypoints being plastered everywhere on Skyrim was a bit much. Most obvious one I could think of is finding the body of Narfi's dead sister near Ivarstead. The waypoint points to her skeleton, which negates the need to actually "look" for her at all, and it didn't make sense because you wouldn't know where she was at all to begin with.
Too hand-holdy, really. Health and Magic regen also makes it all too easy and renders smaller potions redundant.
The main changes I like is mostly aesthetic ones, like graphics, character models/faces (ESPECIALLY after Oblivion), voices (ditto) and such on. Game engine stability certainly was better, as the game didn't crash nearly as often as Morrowind or Oblivion did.
One addition I'm not keen on is the physics in Oblivion/Skyrim. Morrowind let you set anything down and it'd stick there. The other two has a tendency to have objects flip around or fall off walls and such on. Seems weird to keep around when Morrowind actually got it perfectly right.
All this said, I do like Skyrim, but after playing Morrowind afterwards I'd like them to start looking back and adding stuff BACK and actually balancing it all out.
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SpoilerRE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - RyeoNox - 11-27-2014
(11-26-2014, 04:14 AM)Mass Distraction Wrote:(11-25-2014, 10:03 PM)RyeoNox Wrote: [Resident Evil] 5 was a reskin
I can never understand this argument. It was a reskin just as much as RE2 and 3 were of the original and Zer0 of REmake. Just because it plays the same doesn't mean it's a reskin. Otherwise we'd be calling every single game series out there reskins of themselves.
Yes I guess you're right, maybe I over exaggerated a little on the reskin part. But my first thoughts on Majinis is they act really similar to the villagers in RE4. About 10 minutes later the chainsaw majini appeared,then there is the giants and dudes with a gatling gun (which are in RE4). The animations remain nearly the same as in RE4. The early RE games had zombies (which is a pretty general term) so it doesn't bother me much. Or maybe I'm starting to become more picky as I'm getting older. RE5 is as good as RE4, it's just that I didn't enjoyed it much, personally.
RE: That one game series that keeps on getting worse and worse. - gamemaster1991 - 11-27-2014
(11-27-2014, 04:18 AM)RyeoNox Wrote:(11-26-2014, 04:14 AM)Mass Distraction Wrote:(11-25-2014, 10:03 PM)RyeoNox Wrote: [Resident Evil] 5 was a reskin
I can never understand this argument. It was a reskin just as much as RE2 and 3 were of the original and Zer0 of REmake. Just because it plays the same doesn't mean it's a reskin. Otherwise we'd be calling every single game series out there reskins of themselves.
Yes I guess you're right, maybe I over exaggerated a little on the reskin part. But my first thoughts on Majinis is they act really similar to the villagers in RE4. About 10 minutes later the chainsaw majini appeared,then there is the giants and dudes with a gatling gun (which are in RE4). The animations remain nearly the same as in RE4. The early RE games had zombies (which is a pretty general term) so it doesn't bother me much. Or maybe I'm starting to become more picky as I'm getting older. RE5 is as good as RE4, it's just that I didn't enjoyed it much, personally.
At lest Resident Evil 5 did not feel like the same treaded ground as the rest of the sires. Sure we have Wesker, Jill and Chris, and we have simaler elaments to RE4, but that all feels new to me becuse it does not feel like the same game to me. RE6, however, feels like every RE game and Zombie movie ever made. Zombies taking over the world? Check. One person's blood needs to be used to cure it? Check. Evil organization wants to to use the zombie to take over the world (or whatever their plan is, I honestly stopped paying attention at that point)? Check. If I wanted to see a bad Resident Evil game, I would either play the first game or watch the Movies.