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RE: On the topic of the "Chit Chat" thread - Petie - 10-28-2013 Sorry about the brevity of my initial reply. I wanted to get a quick answer out early on but I also wanted to give a proper response when time permitted. I'll go through the entire thread and answer as much as I can and then give some more general information at the end. (10-28-2013, 12:41 PM)MexicanAnime Wrote: Pre Face - At first when I saw that the Chit Chat thread was locked, I was going to attempt to make around ten threads with a different subject. Such topics would only include short posts such as "I had a good burger", "Work was bad today", "I found some money!", "Time to do homework", and so on to prove my point. While I still humor the idea, the admins, mods, and members have done no ill will, so I decided to abandon the plan and to avoid being snarky or snide. I decided to include this little section as I was pretty excited about it. However, I will attack the issue with a more direct, formal, and civilized way so that every one can give their opinion. Your main point here seems to be that the Chit-Chat Thread was harmless and promoted discussion but the issue is that it really didn't. I tried, on multiple occasions, to keep up with that thread but when you sign in after a day and there are 6 new pages of posts, some of which are small discussions and most of which are completely random, it's easier to just turn around and head somewhere else. As Dazz mentioned, the goal is to keep new members around and when most of the activity on the site is taking place in a thread that even a regular can't keep up with, there's a problem. The issue of clutter is actually the solution. Yes, more threads means more to sift through but it is also much easier to find something you're interested in when you can scan a list of titles instead of dig through pages upon pages of posts. More popular threads will still sit at the top and will still be easy to find. This applies to using the search function as well - searching against threads is much more efficient than searching a single thread against posts. Don't get me wrong, I get where you're coming from. It's convenient to have a single place to post everything but things get lost very quickly in that format and it stifles discussion, for the most part. Think about it - that thread had just under 3,000 replies. Most people looking at that would assume that they could never catch up and simply ignore it. The obvious counter to this point is that you don't need to read every post since it's scattered conversation but that is exactly my issue - there's not one topic, one discussion, one train of thought and that makes it extremely difficult to follow. (10-28-2013, 01:33 PM)Mass Distraction Wrote: To be honest I never ever check the playground section. I much prefer to talk about random shizz in one thread and keep my actual ideas and discussions for more in-depth threads. I'm here for the community for the most part and it's kinda sad to not be able to casually chat with other people. Restricting the casual discussion has already killed one community I was on. I understand where you're coming from here and I think it's a commonly held view but it's a flawed way of looking at things. The Playground is really for random stuff in general - things that might not generate full discussion, for chains of gifs and forum games. The actual boards are for discussion of everything else. There is no rule related to how serious a topic has to be before it warrants its own thread. If you have something you want to talk about, even if it's seemingly random, then make a thread. As far as I can tell, this isn't restrictive at all - casual chat is still possible, and even more encouraged in this format as a conversation usually means you have a specific topic in mind. (10-28-2013, 01:49 PM)MexicanAnime Wrote: Members posting in chats that were many pages long is not a problem and I have seen that with this forum. When a new member joins, they can enter the Game Discussion or Chit Chat thread and already fit in with the discussion and the members. While this community is pretty close, I don't see why you're worrying about members here doing that as mostly everyone is welcoming and don't act very "cliquy". For my proof on this, all one has to do is check the different threads to see that both members and mods welcome newcomers in a friendly way without making them feel like outsiders. Not everyone reacts the same way. Some people will show up, love that format, and jump right in. The majority will not though, and that's what we're concerned about. My goal is to make this a fun, inviting, comfortable place for everyone but you can't always please everyone so you settle for pleasing the majority and that's what we're trying to do with this change. Nobody ever said that the members and staff here weren't welcoming - on the contrary, I think we have a wonderful community here but the majority of that community's activity was happening in a single thread and that is intimidating for new members. Whether intentional or not, it still alienates a large percentage of people that haven't been around since the beginning. (10-28-2013, 02:08 PM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: Here is one issue that I have: How many new threads will be created because of this? Hopefully, quite a few. As I stated above, it's actually much easier to scan for interesting topics from a list of titles than from pages of posts. My hope is that with more focused topics, there will be less random gibberish to sift through and you'll know right away whether or not you want to read and/or participate in a given thread. (10-28-2013, 02:40 PM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: All right, fine. No more dumb gifs. Since you're the first person to ever actually say anything. Generally, I just post those after something I figured sounded thoughtful as a laugh. Ironically, I hate both Tumblr and Twitter. And I have working on submitting more facts recently. Trying to get several new ones every few days. This may be one of the first times it was brought up publicly but these types of posts have come up in discussion between Dazz and I quite frequently so we've been thinking about figuring out how to deal with them for a while. This was sent to me via PM but I wanted to address the answers out in the open. I already asked and was given the okay to post the PM here. CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote:I had wanted to post some of this in the thread about the chit chat thread, but figured it would simply work better as a PM. He brings up some important points that I wanted to touch on specifically. First, the need for this change to be gradual. I completely agree and didn't intend to just flip a switch and start handing out warnings for not following rules that you guys can't actually even see yet. My original plan was to announce these changes and then close the Chit-Chat Thread on the 1st but Dazz went ahead and did it early. No harm done but it just means the explanation comes after the fact instead of before. Next, what will constitute spam and what will be okay. First, just understand that we're not outright forbidding gifs and videos. While I'd rather see them incorporated into actual posts, if an opportunity presents itself to use one that really is the perfect response or somehow actually contributes to the thread, you're still welcome to post it. Finally, the issue of staff contributing to the problem and/or ignoring the new rules. I'll say right now that all staff members are expected to follow the same rules as everyone else and that won't change here. Moderation actions are generally taken at the discretion of the staff member in question so there is definitely some personal judgement happening but you can always contact us if you feel something was done unfairly. This community has already shown itself quite capable of that and generally polices itself pretty well anyway. Now, with all of that said, I'd just like to share my own views on the subject. Personally, I felt that the Chit-Chat thread was a detriment to the community. It didn't really encourage discussion, for the most part. To me, it seemed more like barely legal spamming, especially when you factor in all of the image and/or one-word type responses. As I mentioned above, the goal is to make as many people happy as possible which is why I'm trying to be as transparent about this decision as I can. I'm sorry if you really did enjoy that thread. To those of you most greatly affected by this change, I hope you'll stick around and work within the new format. For those who have accepted the change already, I thank you for your cooperation. Now, that leaves just one last thing - the new rules. Like I said above, I don't intend to make this a black and white situation so these rules, especially those regarding spam, will be up for discussion right here. I'll be writing up a formal thread and posting it in place of the current one (something I've been meaning to do for months...) but they won't go into effect until we've had a chance to discuss and possibly, based on that discussion, modify them. If there's a silver lining for everyone here, it's that situations like these show that you guys really do care and I think I can speak for the entire staff in saying that we all appreciate that fact. If anyone has any further questions or concerns, please feel free to voice them here and I'll address them as I can. RE: On the topic of the "Chit Chat" thread - Mass Distraction - 10-29-2013 (10-28-2013, 11:08 PM)Petie Wrote: This applies to using the search function as well - searching against threads is much more efficient than searching a single thread against posts. Then I would like to request the revision of the search function. At a forum I'm an admin at we have a search that allows you to search for either posts OR threads. The forum search we have now is painful to use (and I use it quite often) since it searches every single post and thread name with the word I typed in. It would be easier to choose either or in order to actually find what I'm looking for without skimming through dozens of pages of irrelevant results. The results are only going to get more and more vague with more threads being made. Even now it doesn't really even matter whether you go and check every page of threads or use the search function since the search gives about as many results. RE: On the topic of the "Chit Chat" thread - Dazz - 10-29-2013 ... This has been there since we opened the site. edit: unless you mean this thing... RE: On the topic of the "Chit Chat" thread - Mass Distraction - 10-29-2013 Oh Jesus frackin'.... I've always thought that leads me to the game search on the trivia. Can't beleive I've used the wrong fucking thing this whole time... Well, I'm stupid. Not that it's anything new. I've only used the weird little "Search this forum" thing seen on the bottom of the bage in each section. |