(08-05-2013, 06:50 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Now if you want an example, look at Kinsie in Saint Row 3. She's a former FBI agent, socially awkward and master hacker.

Another one, Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark.

Another one, Talim from Soul Calibur. All she has interest in is people's safety. She's an orphan who protects orphans and can take down a giant demon in azure armor holding a 10 ft long manifestation of evil in blade form.

Another, Dagger from Final Fantasy 9.

Another, Lucca from Chrono Trigger.

Kid from Chrono Cross.

Anya from Gears of War

Cass from Fallout New Vegas

Zoey and Roshell from Left 4 Dead.

If you don't think there aren't many strong women in games then you aren't playing the right ones. I named these off the top of my head, and for that matter, Samus is as awesome with or without that zero suit. (Main reason, she's a walking arsenal in the actual non-spandexy suit)

There will always be other examples in games for both sides. Sitras and Mileenas, Dukes and Marcuses.

(08-05-2013, 07:26 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote:

(08-05-2013, 06:50 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Now if you want an example, look at Kinsie in Saint Row 3. She's a former FBI agent, socially awkward and master hacker.

Another one, Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark.

Another one, Talim from Soul Calibur. All she has interest in is people's safety. She's an orphan who protects orphans and can take down a giant demon in azure armor holding a 10 ft long manifestation of evil in blade form.

Another, Dagger from Final Fantasy 9.

Another, Lucca from Chrono Trigger.

Kid from Chrono Cross.

Anya from Gears of War

Cass from Fallout New Vegas

Zoey and Roshell from Left 4 Dead.

If you don't think there aren't many strong women in games then you aren't playing the right ones. I named these off the top of my head, and for that matter, Samus is as awesome with or without that zero suit. (Main reason, she's a walking arsenal in the actual non-spandexy suit)

There will always be other examples in games for both sides. Sitras and Mileenas, Dukes and Marcuses.

Excluding the games I've never seen nor played, I see your point. There are SO many women in games that make great role models, which I think is one of the point in the argument.
Talim is there to protect her village and,though she wears some what realing clothes, is not sexuilzed.

Though I have never played Chrono Cross, I have played Chrono trigger, and all of it's characters are great characters, including the love interest and the cave chick, who have motives and characters out side of being the love interest and the cave chick. Marle wants to save the world (I believe she brought up the idea in game) and Ayla wants to protect her tribe from the reptiles and Lavos.

Hell, I can't think of one Square Enix character that is there just to be the girl. Tifa has big breasts, but what else? Well she is friends with Cloud, very loyal to each of her friends, protects whats she believes in and other things I can't think of because I have never played the game. Each main character is given character to make them likeable and different. This is why Vanille, Rikku, and Selphie are the way they are.

I also probably gave you the wrong idea of Samus. I like Samus, but most of the games that people name off that she is in have her look like a soulless machine out to kill Aliens, with the exaption of Super Metriod. I like what they tried to do with Other: M, though it was flawed. She has a good back story and there is a way to show off her character besides haveing her shoot things and showing she spared a baby.

(08-05-2013, 06:50 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Now if you want an example, look at Kinsie in Saint Row 3. She's a former FBI agent, socially awkward and master hacker.

Another one, Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark.

Another one, Talim from Soul Calibur. All she has interest in is people's safety. She's an orphan who protects orphans and can take down a giant demon in azure armor holding a 10 ft long manifestation of evil in blade form.

Another, Dagger from Final Fantasy 9.

Another, Lucca from Chrono Trigger.

Kid from Chrono Cross.

Anya from Gears of War

Cass from Fallout New Vegas

Zoey and Roshell from Left 4 Dead.

If you don't think there aren't many strong women in games then you aren't playing the right ones. I named these off the top of my head, and for that matter, Samus is as awesome with or without that zero suit. (Main reason, she's a walking arsenal in the actual non-spandexy suit)

There will always be other examples in games for both sides. Sitras and Mileenas, Dukes and Marcuses.

(08-06-2013, 05:46 AM)Mass Distraction Wrote:

(08-05-2013, 06:50 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Now if you want an example, look at Kinsie in Saint Row 3. She's a former FBI agent, socially awkward and master hacker.

Another one, Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark.

Another one, Talim from Soul Calibur. All she has interest in is people's safety. She's an orphan who protects orphans and can take down a giant demon in azure armor holding a 10 ft long manifestation of evil in blade form.

Another, Dagger from Final Fantasy 9.

Another, Lucca from Chrono Trigger.

Kid from Chrono Cross.

Anya from Gears of War

Cass from Fallout New Vegas

Zoey and Roshell from Left 4 Dead.

If you don't think there aren't many strong women in games then you aren't playing the right ones. I named these off the top of my head, and for that matter, Samus is as awesome with or without that zero suit. (Main reason, she's a walking arsenal in the actual non-spandexy suit)

There will always be other examples in games for both sides. Sitras and Mileenas, Dukes and Marcuses.

There's my point in a nutshell. People love those games and yet, games with female leads or games with a female character in the center of the story are deemed as non-profitable by some developers. Why is that?

(08-06-2013, 05:46 AM)Mass Distraction Wrote:

(08-05-2013, 06:50 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Now if you want an example, look at Kinsie in Saint Row 3. She's a former FBI agent, socially awkward and master hacker.

Another one, Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark.

Another one, Talim from Soul Calibur. All she has interest in is people's safety. She's an orphan who protects orphans and can take down a giant demon in azure armor holding a 10 ft long manifestation of evil in blade form.

Another, Dagger from Final Fantasy 9.

Another, Lucca from Chrono Trigger.

Kid from Chrono Cross.

Anya from Gears of War

Cass from Fallout New Vegas

Zoey and Roshell from Left 4 Dead.

If you don't think there aren't many strong women in games then you aren't playing the right ones. I named these off the top of my head, and for that matter, Samus is as awesome with or without that zero suit. (Main reason, she's a walking arsenal in the actual non-spandexy suit)

There will always be other examples in games for both sides. Sitras and Mileenas, Dukes and Marcuses.

There's my point in a nutshell. People love those games and yet, games with female leads or games with a female character in the center of the story are deemed as non-profitable by some developers. Why is that?

(08-06-2013, 10:24 AM)gamemaster1991 Wrote: You guys will probably prove me wrong (please do) but it's hard to find a solo female lead that also good.

(08-06-2013, 10:43 AM)Mass Distraction Wrote:

(08-06-2013, 10:24 AM)gamemaster1991 Wrote: You guys will probably prove me wrong (please do) but it's hard to find a solo female lead that also good.

Mirror's Edge, Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Liberation Maiden, Steal Princess, Final Fantasy XIII (depends on who you ask), Portal and Tomb Raider come to mind. Then there's Metroid but that's been already up for discussion. I'm not yet sure how Remember Me did but I plan on buying it.

(08-06-2013, 10:48 AM)gamemaster1991 Wrote:

(08-06-2013, 10:43 AM)Mass Distraction Wrote:

(08-06-2013, 10:24 AM)gamemaster1991 Wrote: You guys will probably prove me wrong (please do) but it's hard to find a solo female lead that also good.

Mirror's Edge, Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Liberation Maiden, Steal Princess, Final Fantasy XIII (depends on who you ask), Portal and Tomb Raider come to mind. Then there's Metroid but that's been already up for discussion. I'm not yet sure how Remember Me did but I plan on buying it.

Lollipop Chainsaw is hard to count but I'll take it. Thank you for proving me wrong. How could I forget Mirror's Edge and Portal? Final Fantasy even has a strong Female to overshadow the male lead, so a better example.

(08-07-2013, 07:04 AM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: The dudes kissing dudes meant a dude (the player) would never even think of controlling the female player and making her kiss. Too gross, apparently.