Women in gaming

[Psychospacecow]

Now if you want an example, look at Kinsie in Saint Row 3. She's a former FBI agent, socially awkward and master hacker.

Another one, Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark.

Another one, Talim from Soul Calibur. All she has interest in is people's safety. She's an orphan who protects orphans and can take down a giant demon in azure armor holding a 10 ft long manifestation of evil in blade form.

Another, Dagger from Final Fantasy 9.

Another, Lucca from Chrono Trigger.

Kid from Chrono Cross.

Anya from Gears of War

Cass from Fallout New Vegas

Zoey and Roshell from Left 4 Dead.

If you don't think there aren't many strong women in games then you aren't playing the right ones. I named these off the top of my head, and for that matter, Samus is as awesome with or without that zero suit. (Main reason, she's a walking arsenal in the actual non-spandexy suit)

There will always be other examples in games for both sides. Sitras and Mileenas, Dukes and Marcuses.

Excluding the games I've never seen nor played, I see your point. There are SO many women in games that make great role models, which I think is one of the point in the argument.
Talim is there to protect her village and,though she wears some what realing clothes, is not sexuilzed.

Though I have never played Chrono Cross, I have played Chrono trigger, and all of it's characters are great characters, including the love interest and the cave chick, who have motives and characters out side of being the love interest and the cave chick. Marle wants to save the world (I believe she brought up the idea in game) and Ayla wants to protect her tribe from the reptiles and Lavos.

Hell, I can't think of one Square Enix character that is there just to be the girl. Tifa has big breasts, but what else? Well she is friends with Cloud, very loyal to each of her friends, protects whats she believes in and other things I can't think of because I have never played the game. Each main character is given character to make them likeable and different. This is why Vanille, Rikku, and Selphie are the way they are.

I also probably gave you the wrong idea of Samus. I like Samus, but most of the games that people name off that she is in have her look like a soulless machine out to kill Aliens, with the exaption of Super Metriod. I like what they tried to do with Other: M, though it was flawed. She has a good back story and there is a way to show off her character besides haveing her shoot things and showing she spared a baby.

Yeah, but most people name the older Metroids because that's what they grew up with, ya know. Nostalgia plays a big factor in such things and they were good games. That's why they talk about them.