The 'About' page on smashbros.com lists Ultimate as having 66 characters in total. Since Pokémon Trainer is counted as only one character on the site, this means we currently have 64 fighters announced. This leaves 2 spots open for new fighters. 


Strangely enough, the list of characters on the 'Fighters' page has just enough space for two additional character slots.

A user by the name of 'Moon Medic' has compiled every stage seen from gameplay videos, screenshots, etc. and has come to a total of 79 84 stages shown so far. (79 of which are returning stages.)
Full List w/ Evidence (Likely to be Updated)

Nintendo to produce amiibos for veteran fighters such as Pichu and Ice Climbers

Shoulnd't the title of this thread be updated considering that we know the full name of the game? In other Words, I think we should add the word ULTIMATE to the title.

EVO Melee Grand Finals: Leffen vs Armada

Nintendo announced a Smash Direct.

Hoping big Leff clutch it out.

For those wondering, the Smash direct is on Wednesday (August 8th) starting 7am PT.
Official Twitter Post

(08-05-2018, 03:48 PM)Boyobmas Wrote: For those wondering, the Smash direct is on Wednesday (August 8th) starting 7am PT.
Official Twitter Post

This direct can directly fuck off. A good percentage of people said they were mad at Nintendo over their stubbornness to focus on almost nothing outside of Smash at E3, and there are dozens of other games they desperately need to talk about, and instead they focus on the game that several people are already sold on or are sick of seeing. I want to see them talk about Bayo 3, Metroid 4, Persona Q2, an Animal Crossing game for Switch, really pretty much anything besides Smash. At this point, it's going to be extremely difficult to talk about anything new for the game since they spent most of their E3 direct with it, and most of Nintendo Treehouse Live with it. Nintendo needs to shift their focus away from Smash to any of their other projects, because the people who are going to buy this game are already there, and it's gonna be hard to get new people into the game, but easy to deter people like me from it because I'm sick of it being everywhere around Nintendo. Iwata-san always made it a point to talk about a lot of different things to keep consumer interest up, but the current Nintendo has completely abandoned that for no reason.

(08-05-2018, 04:20 PM)RepentantSky Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 03:48 PM)Boyobmas Wrote: For those wondering, the Smash direct is on Wednesday (August 8th) starting 7am PT.
Official Twitter Post

This direct can directly fuck off. A good percentage of people said they were mad at Nintendo over their stubbornness to focus on almost nothing outside of Smash at E3, and there are dozens of other games they desperately need to talk about, and instead they focus on the game that several people are already sold on or are sick of seeing. I want to see them talk about Bayo 3, Metroid 4, Persona Q2, an Animal Crossing game for Switch, really pretty much anything besides Smash. At this point, it's going to be extremely difficult to talk about anything new for the game since they spent most of their E3 direct with it, and most of Nintendo Treehouse Live with it. Nintendo needs to shift their focus away from Smash to any of their other projects, because the people who are going to buy this game are already there, and it's gonna be hard to get new people into the game, but easy to deter people like me from it because I'm sick of it being everywhere around Nintendo. Iwata-san always made it a point to talk about a lot of different things to keep consumer interest up, but the current Nintendo has completely abandoned that for no reason.

Ultimate is Nintendo's biggest game this holiday. (Other than Pokémon Let's GO!, though I don't see there being that much left to talk about concerning it.) And a Smash-focused direct would have happened eventually, so at least be glad there getting it out of the way first.
And even if they did do a regular direct right now, they wouldn't really talk about much. We already know there are some games we don't know about coming this Fall, but I doubt they would be very big titles. (Though they'd likely take a good while explaining them.) Plus, they would likely fully explain the online service, and all the smaller indie stuff the like to focus on. What I'm saying is it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as people would hope. (Especially if they go in expecting games that have no release window/haven't even been announced.)
And for Ultimate "not having much more to talk about". We no nothing about this game in terms of modes alone. Not to mention new characters, new/returning stages, how online will work, trophies, extras, etc. There's a ton to be expanded on, so it's not a purposeless direct.

(08-05-2018, 05:36 PM)Boyobmas Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 04:20 PM)RepentantSky Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 03:48 PM)Boyobmas Wrote: For those wondering, the Smash direct is on Wednesday (August 8th) starting 7am PT.
Official Twitter Post

This direct can directly fuck off. A good percentage of people said they were mad at Nintendo over their stubbornness to focus on almost nothing outside of Smash at E3, and there are dozens of other games they desperately need to talk about, and instead they focus on the game that several people are already sold on or are sick of seeing. I want to see them talk about Bayo 3, Metroid 4, Persona Q2, an Animal Crossing game for Switch, really pretty much anything besides Smash. At this point, it's going to be extremely difficult to talk about anything new for the game since they spent most of their E3 direct with it, and most of Nintendo Treehouse Live with it. Nintendo needs to shift their focus away from Smash to any of their other projects, because the people who are going to buy this game are already there, and it's gonna be hard to get new people into the game, but easy to deter people like me from it because I'm sick of it being everywhere around Nintendo. Iwata-san always made it a point to talk about a lot of different things to keep consumer interest up, but the current Nintendo has completely abandoned that for no reason.

Ultimate is Nintendo's biggest game this holiday. (Other than Pokémon Let's GO!, though I don't see there being that much left to talk about concerning it.) And a Smash-focused direct would have happened eventually, so at least be glad there getting it out of the way first.
And even if they did do a regular direct right now, they wouldn't really talk about much. We already know there are some games we don't know about coming this Fall, but I doubt they would be very big titles. (Though they'd likely take a good while explaining them.) Plus, they would likely fully explain the online service, and all the smaller indie stuff the like to focus on. What I'm saying is it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as people would hope. (Especially if they go in expecting games that have no release window/haven't even been announced.)
And for Ultimate "not having much more to talk about". We no nothing about this game in terms of modes alone. Not to mention new characters, new/returning stages, how online will work, trophies, extras, etc. There's a ton to be expanded on, so it's not a purposeless direct.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. I'm not asking for new IP's or sequel's directly (though I know a lot of people who like Animal Crossing so for their sake it would be nice to see) but I've seen so much of Smash Bros already, that I would prefer anything that's left is left to be be found out by players so there are at least some surprises. What I am asking for, more than anything else, is updates to games that were already announced like Luigi's Mansion, Yo-kai Watch Blasters and other titles I already mentioned. Also, Nintendo giving some insight as to what's happening at the early going for next year would be nice since so little is left for this year that more than a few fans are going to care about outside of Smash. As for new characters, there won't be many as was made clear by Sakurai-san himself so I wouldn't be shocked to see no new characters announced this Wednesday. Whatever, the case may be with Smash, I'm done with it. I hate that Nintendo has taken this route every year since Iwata-san died, of focusing on one title so much that everything else feels insignificant, and this is the worst case of it so far. The hype for a game company can only go so long when they aren't marketing to all kinds of consumers they have the potential to appeal to, and this is a prime example of them not doing that. If anything, this direct, which was inevitable, should have happened in September, where Nintendo is going to lose out on sales to the major games that aren't going to be on their systems. It would have given people reason to talk about them during that month, and if they had already updated previously announced titles and kept other fans happy, more people would be receptive to a Smash focused direct. Doing things this way, people who felt Nintendo ignored what they cared about most, only end more frustrated with them. You're right about one thing though, Nintendo wouldn't likely have much to talk about that would interest a large number of people. They don't do that anymore, because they have no idea how to run the company without Iwata's guidance, that they threw out quicker than we all came to realize how serious his cancer was.

(08-05-2018, 08:56 PM)RepentantSky Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 05:36 PM)Boyobmas Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 04:20 PM)RepentantSky Wrote: This direct can directly fuck off. A good percentage of people said they were mad at Nintendo over their stubbornness to focus on almost nothing outside of Smash at E3, and there are dozens of other games they desperately need to talk about, and instead they focus on the game that several people are already sold on or are sick of seeing. I want to see them talk about Bayo 3, Metroid 4, Persona Q2, an Animal Crossing game for Switch, really pretty much anything besides Smash. At this point, it's going to be extremely difficult to talk about anything new for the game since they spent most of their E3 direct with it, and most of Nintendo Treehouse Live with it. Nintendo needs to shift their focus away from Smash to any of their other projects, because the people who are going to buy this game are already there, and it's gonna be hard to get new people into the game, but easy to deter people like me from it because I'm sick of it being everywhere around Nintendo. Iwata-san always made it a point to talk about a lot of different things to keep consumer interest up, but the current Nintendo has completely abandoned that for no reason.

Ultimate is Nintendo's biggest game this holiday. (Other than Pokémon Let's GO!, though I don't see there being that much left to talk about concerning it.) And a Smash-focused direct would have happened eventually, so at least be glad there getting it out of the way first.
And even if they did do a regular direct right now, they wouldn't really talk about much. We already know there are some games we don't know about coming this Fall, but I doubt they would be very big titles. (Though they'd likely take a good while explaining them.) Plus, they would likely fully explain the online service, and all the smaller indie stuff the like to focus on. What I'm saying is it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as people would hope. (Especially if they go in expecting games that have no release window/haven't even been announced.)
And for Ultimate "not having much more to talk about". We no nothing about this game in terms of modes alone. Not to mention new characters, new/returning stages, how online will work, trophies, extras, etc. There's a ton to be expanded on, so it's not a purposeless direct.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. I'm not asking for new IP's or sequel's directly (though I know a lot of people who like Animal Crossing so for their sake it would be nice to see) but I've seen so much of Smash Bros already, that I would prefer anything that's left is left to be be found out by players so there are at least some surprises. What I am asking for, more than anything else, is updates to games that were already announced like Luigi's Mansion, Yo-kai Watch Blasters and other titles I already mentioned. Also, Nintendo giving some insight as to what's happening at the early going for next year would be nice since so little is left for this year that more than a few fans are going to care about outside of Smash. As for new characters, there won't be many as was made clear by Sakurai-san himself so I wouldn't be shocked to see no new characters announced this Wednesday. Whatever, the case may be with Smash, I'm done with it. I hate that Nintendo has taken this route every year since Iwata-san died, of focusing on one title so much that everything else feels insignificant, and this is the worst case of it so far. The hype for a game company can only go so long when they aren't marketing to all kinds of consumers they have the potential to appeal to, and this is a prime example of them not doing that. If anything, this direct, which was inevitable, should have happened in September, where Nintendo is going to lose out on sales to the major games that aren't going to be on their systems. It would have given people reason to talk about them during that month, and if they had already updated previously announced titles and kept other fans happy, more people would be receptive to a Smash focused direct. Doing things this way, people who felt Nintendo ignored what they cared about most, only end more frustrated with them. You're right about one thing though, Nintendo wouldn't likely have much to talk about that would interest a large number of people. They don't do that anymore, because they have no idea how to run the company without Iwata's guidance, that they threw out quicker than we all came to realize how serious his cancer was.

This isn't the only opportunity Nintendo has to announce/showcase other games before 2019. Between the Online service, Super Mario Party and those unannounced Fall games, it's almost guaranteed we'll get a regular direct sometime before the holidays. (Early/mid-September, would be my guess.) They're not "ignoring" anyone, even though it would be better if they communicated this. Also, saying that Nintendo is doomed because they're not showing anything right now is a bit melodramatic, no? Sure, if they keep sparse on info between now and December it'll suck for a bit and it might somewhat effect sales, but long term it isn't going to matter much. Nintendo has pretty sparse periods of releases before (including during Iwata's presidency.), but this is no where near as bad as it could get during the WiiU's lifespan. (Not to mention the Switch is far more successful than the WiiU was, and is quickly gaining 3rd party support which helps with sparse 1st party releases.) So if Nintendo doesn't feel like sharing anything else right now, whatever. It's fine. Not ideal, but it's also not the end of the world.

(08-06-2018, 12:14 AM)Boyobmas Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 08:56 PM)RepentantSky Wrote:

(08-05-2018, 05:36 PM)Boyobmas Wrote: Ultimate is Nintendo's biggest game this holiday. (Other than Pokémon Let's GO!, though I don't see there being that much left to talk about concerning it.) And a Smash-focused direct would have happened eventually, so at least be glad there getting it out of the way first.
And even if they did do a regular direct right now, they wouldn't really talk about much. We already know there are some games we don't know about coming this Fall, but I doubt they would be very big titles. (Though they'd likely take a good while explaining them.) Plus, they would likely fully explain the online service, and all the smaller indie stuff the like to focus on. What I'm saying is it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as people would hope. (Especially if they go in expecting games that have no release window/haven't even been announced.)
And for Ultimate "not having much more to talk about". We no nothing about this game in terms of modes alone. Not to mention new characters, new/returning stages, how online will work, trophies, extras, etc. There's a ton to be expanded on, so it's not a purposeless direct.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. I'm not asking for new IP's or sequel's directly (though I know a lot of people who like Animal Crossing so for their sake it would be nice to see) but I've seen so much of Smash Bros already, that I would prefer anything that's left is left to be be found out by players so there are at least some surprises. What I am asking for, more than anything else, is updates to games that were already announced like Luigi's Mansion, Yo-kai Watch Blasters and other titles I already mentioned. Also, Nintendo giving some insight as to what's happening at the early going for next year would be nice since so little is left for this year that more than a few fans are going to care about outside of Smash. As for new characters, there won't be many as was made clear by Sakurai-san himself so I wouldn't be shocked to see no new characters announced this Wednesday. Whatever, the case may be with Smash, I'm done with it. I hate that Nintendo has taken this route every year since Iwata-san died, of focusing on one title so much that everything else feels insignificant, and this is the worst case of it so far. The hype for a game company can only go so long when they aren't marketing to all kinds of consumers they have the potential to appeal to, and this is a prime example of them not doing that. If anything, this direct, which was inevitable, should have happened in September, where Nintendo is going to lose out on sales to the major games that aren't going to be on their systems. It would have given people reason to talk about them during that month, and if they had already updated previously announced titles and kept other fans happy, more people would be receptive to a Smash focused direct. Doing things this way, people who felt Nintendo ignored what they cared about most, only end more frustrated with them. You're right about one thing though, Nintendo wouldn't likely have much to talk about that would interest a large number of people. They don't do that anymore, because they have no idea how to run the company without Iwata's guidance, that they threw out quicker than we all came to realize how serious his cancer was.

This isn't the only opportunity Nintendo has to announce/showcase other games before 2019. Between the Online service, Super Mario Party and those unannounced Fall games, it's almost guaranteed we'll get a regular direct sometime before the holidays. (Early/mid-September, would be my guess.) They're not "ignoring" anyone, even though it would be better if they communicated this. Also, saying that Nintendo is doomed because they're not showing anything right now is a bit melodramatic, no? Sure, if they keep sparse on info between now and December it'll suck for a bit and it might somewhat effect sales, but long term it isn't going to matter much. Nintendo has pretty sparse periods of releases before (including during Iwata's presidency.), but this is no where near as bad as it could get during the WiiU's lifespan. (Not to mention the Switch is far more successful than the WiiU was, and is quickly gaining 3rd party support which helps with sparse 1st party releases.) So if Nintendo doesn't feel like sharing anything else right now, whatever. It's fine. Not ideal, but it's also not the end of the world.

Did I say anything about Nintendo being doomed? No, I didn't, I just said it's annoying that they get so hyper-focused on one game that everything else feels like it hardly matters and that it's hard to care about what they are doing until they talk about the other games they have that people want to see. I also never said it was too late for them to have an update direct sometime in this year, just that people would be more receptive to a Smash direct if they did it later rather than first. I also, also never said that they were ignoring everyone, but that it feels that way. Man, did you even read my post? Or are you simply exaggerating things to try and make a point that isn't there? Whatever the case is, you've got everything I said wrong that you commented on. Also, as far as I and many of the people who would share my opinion are concerned, things have sucked for Nintendo since mid June, so almost two months, and waiting to make things right again is a bad move by Nintendo no matter how you slice it. Not only will it effect sales, but consumer interest will go down, possibly long term if they don't prove they care about other games they have in the works. Also, trying to use the Wii U to make a point doesn't make a lick of sense, considering Nintendo was clearly focusing more on the 3DS while the Wii U floundered about, and it constantly had games worth getting, just like the Switch did last year. The 3rd party support is nice, and Nintendo needed it, but they aren't marketing those games enough either which is part of the battle to make sure 3rd party games continue to be worth it for the developers who make games for the Switch. That needs to be focused on badly, because if the 3rd party games start selling poorly due to Nintendo's focusing on their own first party titles, less and less people will want to support the Switch and it will lose sales in the latter parts of it's life. You are saying things and thinking too broadly so far as I can tell, and putting words in my mouth, but if you want to try again and not do that, I might hear it, otherwise this no longer serves a purpose because you appear currently to be missing the points I'm trying to make.

Holy shit, I'm a fucking idiot.
Looking back at your posts I defenitley misunderstood alot of what you were saying, It also doesn't help that my responses came off alot more confrontational than I intended. You have every right to be frustrated and I had no place coming down on you for your opinions. I'm really sorry for making a big stupid thing out of this.

(08-06-2018, 03:05 AM)Boyobmas Wrote: Holy shit, I'm a fucking idiot.
Looking back at your posts I defenitley misunderstood alot of what you were saying,  It also doesn't help that my responses came off alot more confrontational than I intended. You have every right to be frustrated and I had no place coming down on you for your opinions. I'm really sorry for making a big stupid thing out of this.

It's cool. Things happen. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned and apology accepted.

Nintendo themselves screwed up and potentially leaked one of the characters to be revealed tomorrow.
I'd recommend staying off of social media for tonight.

Nintendo Direct 8/8/2018 Summary:
All New/Returning Stages! (So far.)

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Smash Bros. website updated with screenshots/videos of new fighters, new song preview.

Nintendo of Europe announces Limited Edition that includes the game as well as a Gamecube controller and adapter. (No word on release outside of Europe.)

Stages and Items sections now opened on the Smash Bros. website!