(06-17-2014, 10:43 AM)gamemaster1991 Wrote:

(06-17-2014, 09:18 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: But if you're running a tournament, that's just tedious. Even if you're not running at tournament and playing at your local scene it's just as annoying. This isn't the 90's anymore where it's a secret but it's a fundamental part of the metagame that's going to be played for many years to come. May as well just give us the versus characters straight away. As Skullgirls has shown, there could be a comprise between both in that you can unlock them right away or let people play through.

I also hate to be "that one guy" but Sub Space Emissary wasn't even the slightest bit fun. Bosses and Cutscenes were all that it had going for it. The rest was pointless and I don't feel like doing the same again in SSB4 just for one character.

If Mario Kart can have unlockable characters since Wii, I think SSB4 can have it as well.

(06-17-2014, 12:17 PM)Zaliphone Wrote:

(06-17-2014, 10:43 AM)gamemaster1991 Wrote:

(06-17-2014, 09:18 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: But if you're running a tournament, that's just tedious. Even if you're not running at tournament and playing at your local scene it's just as annoying. This isn't the 90's anymore where it's a secret but it's a fundamental part of the metagame that's going to be played for many years to come. May as well just give us the versus characters straight away. As Skullgirls has shown, there could be a comprise between both in that you can unlock them right away or let people play through.

I also hate to be "that one guy" but Sub Space Emissary wasn't even the slightest bit fun. Bosses and Cutscenes were all that it had going for it. The rest was pointless and I don't feel like doing the same again in SSB4 just for one character.

If Mario Kart can have unlockable characters since Wii, I think SSB4 can have it as well.

The problem with this is that the characters in Smash are all different and play differently and what character you play as makes a big difference. In Mario Kart the characters make little difference, only what type of kart you can choose.

(06-17-2014, 01:54 PM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: Well, technically, there IS quite a competitive Mario Kart community. If you don't believe me, there is a reason AGDQ always winds up with a Mario Kart All Cups speedrun (though I wish they would finally do a MKDD run in AGDQ, it's so broken with two players one kart). And character unlocking does come into play there.
For example, your most often used combo in time trials in the competitive community is Funky Kong/Flame Runner (I'm more of a Daisy/Mach Bike man myself) in MKWii. You do have to unlock Funky Kong.
It's very small compared to Super Smash Bros, but look at the way SSBB was released and advertised. Not as a true fighting game, but a party fighting game. Not that SSB4 is that, but I feel Nintendo still views it more that way.

(06-17-2014, 12:49 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote: Mario Kart characters have different stats. One character that can drift good is going to take turns better than one that can go really fast. Saying it really does not mater what racer you choose in Mario Kart would be like saying it does not matter what fighter you pick in Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, or Super Smash Bros. Picking Koopa over Mario in MK is just like picking Koopa over Mario in SSB.

(06-17-2014, 01:54 PM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: Not that SSB4 is that, but I feel Nintendo still views it more that way.

(06-17-2014, 01:29 PM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: But, in any case, from the footage seen of Little Mac so far, does anyone else worry about him being OP? His back roll and ground game seem amazing, although his air game seems to leave a little to be desired.

(06-17-2014, 04:35 PM)BumblebeeCody Wrote:

(06-17-2014, 01:54 PM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: Not that SSB4 is that, but I feel Nintendo still views it more that way.

I feel that's changed actually. Sakurai had a very shitty attitude towards Brawl which resulted in the game being pretty bad (Project M fixed that but only by so much). Once SSB4 was announced again, he was pretty shitty but over time he(and Nintendo) have shifted their attitude in favour of competitive gaming. As of last year we've seen 1) Nintendo fully embrace Melee being at EVO. Remember, they were going to stop Melee from being in EVO 2013s lineup. We've seen Sakurai 2) announce Final Destination settings for all stages and only as of last week, have an 3) invitational with some of the best players to demonstrate SSB4.
Melee 12 years on is still being streamed on Twitch and getting over 100 000 viewers. It's a big deal for competitive gaming.

(06-17-2014, 05:24 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote: My last point for SSB chariters. Everyone is going to play as Fox, so why care about the tornament scene? I'll be playing as Pac-man, Megaman, and Sonic, even if they need to be unlocked. I just hope I don't get board with the game like I did Melee.

(06-17-2014, 05:12 PM)CosmykTheDolfyn Wrote: Here's the thing:
Points 1 and 3 really helped build hype for SSB4, and we all know that Nintendo is king of advertising. That's nearly free advertising in each case, especially since today's game market deals with youtube, twitch and every post online driving sales higher.
Second thing: Note past sales. 32% of gamecube owners bought Super Smash Bros Melee. 12% of Wii owners bought Brawl. (These are quick calculations based on sales of consoles and games). Brawl sold better overall, but just because the Wii sold so many units. Better physics, less cartoony stuff=awesome sales in Smash Bros. Nintendo is looking at that also. Brawl was panned. They're changing it, not because of love of competitive gaming, but friending up a little will help sales.
That may make me love SSB4 more than Brawl in the end, but I don't buy it one bit that Nintendo is shifting their policy ever so slightly for any other reason than cash. The entire thing so far just screams the most brilliant marketing maneuver Nintendo has ever pulled off, not catering to the fighting market. It just so happens a change in some policy will help there.

(06-17-2014, 05:24 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote: My last point for SSB chariters. Everyone is going to play as Fox, so why care about the tornament scene? I'll be playing as Pac-man, Megaman, and Sonic, even if they need to be unlocked. I just hope I don't get board with the game like I did Melee.

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