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[ZpaceJ0ck0]

Pakistan Mourns Death of Abdul Sattar Edhi (2016), Abdul Sattar Edhi founded Edhi foundation which has rescued over 20,000 abandoned infants, rehabilitated over 50,000 orphans and has trained over 40,000 nurses. It also runs the world's biggest ambulance service.

[SERIOUSLY THOUGH*]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36756723

I'm finding it hard to feel sympathy for this guy. He chose a life of stabbing and killing bulls, and got stabbed and killed right back. 


"[Prime Minister of Spain] Mr Rajoy - say[s] the tradition is an ancient art form deeply rooted in national history." 
Gee, who else has used that argument recently ? Oh yeah ! The flippin' islamic state about lapidating adulterous women.
Just because it's 'tradition' doesn't mean it's a-ok.

[ZpaceJ0ck0]

"Knock his ass out!" Reporter threatened and assaulted by Black Lives Matter-supporters blocking a road

[SERIOUSLY THOUGH*]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36771205

"A Victorian man who was in the crowd, Keenan Lucas, told the NT News the show was ended quickly after the attack."
Had a good chuckle visualising some dapper chap in a top hat and monocle ejaculating a sharp "good lord!" at the sight.

[ZpaceJ0ck0]

 
That white male was clearly oppressing them with his privilege!!

EDIT: read the video's description if you believe the title is misleading.

EDIT 2: is just me or black people want special treatment after having 30 years of equality?

[CosmykTheDolfyn]

Space Jockey, based on your past two posts in here and the last edit, I get the feeling you don't really support anything related to Black Lives Matter or any similar movements. I must agree that some terrible things have been said and done by it's supporters in the past few months. There is no excuse for the above video and the actions aboard that train. Some things have went wrong. But to deny that race relation problems exist is also horridly wrong.

Let me just say that I type this as someone of mixed race, with a Father of German heritage and a Mother who is of Hispanic descent. I inherited many of the physical characteristics of my mother's side, from being barely over 5 feet tall, to having jet black hair and dark eyes to darker skin than most white people. Over my entire life, I have had problems due to just merely appearing different in an area that's about 99% Caucasian.
In school, I was beat up by my classmates nearly every day and even occasionally received death threats. There were a few fellow students in particular who did this simply due to my heritage. I have lost count how many times I have been told that I should go back to Mexico or that I have been told I should be deported. I have been cursed at and even spit on once for daring to walk in public by racist people. One that has hurt a few times has been a few people saying to me that they can't wait for one particular candidate to put up a wall to keep out trash like me. Ironically, my father's family has been living in what is now the US since the 1600s, and I am third generation American on my mother's side. Also, my mother's family didn't come from Mexico in the first place. I've had very different encounters with the police than my friends who don't look as dark as me, such as being patted down and searched after committing the heinous crime of rollerblading on a sidewalk without a helmet on.
I'll never forget when I started at college either. I remember having another student get angry at me for saying that I was coming due to scholarships for free. She IMMEDIATELY started yelling at me that I shouldn't have gotten such privileges just for being Mexican (again, not Mexican and part white anyways). I remember her saying that the money could have went to kids that got better scores than me and that Affirmative Action was ruining colleges. Funnily enough, she wouldn't believe me when I told why I had received scholarships: my 4.0 GPA in High School or getting an ACT score higher than about 98% of people that took the ACT that year. Sadly, I actually had that conversation multiple times at school. The people who complained also never did as well as I did in college: graduating Magna Cum Laude with two separate degrees at 19 years old.
After I dealt with that, I'll never forget my first interview for a job. I was told that I just "didn't look right" and that patients wouldn't trust me. How could I argue against that? Could they not thank me for being quite literally the only person to show up on time for the interview and in a nice suit? It took me months to find work after graduating despite how well I did in school, and I can't help but question if my physical characteristics didn't play a role in that.
What's funny is that my younger brother has never dealt with these issues. You see, he looks much more like my father, being quite a bit taller than me and possessing blonde hair with blue eyes. Sure, he has met plenty of jerks in his life, but they haven't been jerks to him for his appearance.
Now, this is all merely anecdotal evidence, but imagine the frustration you would have for being treated like a lower class of person for just the color of your skin? It wears on you over time, and that pain can make you do stupid things in retaliation occasionally.
It's by far the truth that the actions of some BLM supporters are inexcusable. It's also the truth that most people aren't racist. But, it's also a massive fault to ignore race relations problems that do exist, because it is only going to hurt us all in the end.

[ZpaceJ0ck0]

Well, i originally to posted those BLM videos for the sake of irony, because you know, a so-called movement of peace doing stuff like that, but i never considered all the other things you mentioned, especially the part when you say "ignore race relations problems that do exist, because it is only going to hurt us all in the end". But like i said, i only posted those BLM videos for the sake of irony and inform people.

[Psychospacecow]

Every group, especially ones as loosely affiliated as BLM have bad eggs. We like to take the most extreme elements of everything we see and turn them into poster children of a broader element. A lot of people who don't like Christians see me as a Westboro Baptist, picketing funerals and such. The same thing happens with every major religion. The same thing happens with atheists who act as the example for the above statement.

They're all fringe unrepresentative extremes that like to use the meaning behind something greater then themselves as an excuse to continue doing as they please. I use religion as an example here, because religion is in a similar stand as race. To the average reasonable individual, your race or religion doesn't matter. It will never matter to them. It never has mattered to them. Its also in the same vein, what makes things difficult when dealing with the outlier. When you're dealing with such a loosely affiliated grouping as BLM, the bar for entry is pretty low. That's why Anonymous isn't taken seriously. Anyone can be anonymous. Don't let people who never stood to represent the title they hold become the face of the group as a whole.

[ZpaceJ0ck0]

The same thing happens with atheists who act as the example for the above statement.

That very specific part of your post is....confusing, are you saying that all the atheists see Christians in the same vein as a Westboro Baptist?

[Psychospacecow]

No. That's my point. Its stupid to assume such broad strokes based on who in a group is making an ass of themselves.

[BumblebeeCody*]

Which is a perfect time to bring up every group we have these days; how one person or a small group now somehow represent the majority.

Anita Sarkeesian = All feminism is now cancer
ISIS = A group of several thousand now represent a religion of a billion people
Those black kids on the train = BLM movement loses all respect
GamerGate = All gamers hate women
Westboro Baptist Chirch = All Christians are scum

It doesn't matter how many articles you read or videos you read on the worst part of an overall group, they are the vocal minority and do not represent the group at large.

I get the feeling in these times there are those that lie in wait for these events to happen where someone/some group uses their ideas and beliefs to do inflict harm on the world, then those waiting to show flawed they are jump up a proclaim "see their movement is irrelevant and stupid and we shouldn't support them"!

The next major event to happen would be for a gay person shooting a nightclub of straight people and then those accusers to then make the statement "See, LGBT groups are horrible too. Their movement is stupid. They aren't oppressed"!

Again, ignore the fact we've had countless black people shot by the police or given fair rights, it's that BLM is now not worth listening to because this one bellend used his movement to kill innocent people. So this one rare instance where a black civillian killed white people officers means we're now on equal terms again? Nah.

I'm not behind the idea of BLM myself but I have no issue with it.

[ZpaceJ0ck0]

GamerGate = All gamers hate women

Talking from my experience (of talking with menbers of that group), i can say not all gamergaters hate women, they simply hate SJW a lot and want more "transparency" in videogame journalism.

I'm not defending them or anything, just talking from my expirence.

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Anita Sarkeesian = All feminism is now cancer

ALL the feminist  i encountered happened to be feminazis (radical feminist), and of course, they called me an "compulsive masturbator" or a "mysogynist" just because i disagree with them  -__-

The line betwwen "modern feminist" and "feminazi" is very thin nowadays.

EDIT 2: i agree that they are still racial problems in this time and age, but you know that BLM is wrong in ( their way of doing things) when even other blacks critize it:

[CosmykTheDolfyn]

GamerGate = All gamers hate women

Talking from my experience (of talking with menbers of that group), i can say not all gamergaters hate women, they simply hate SJW a lot and want more "transparency" in videogame journalism.

I'm not defending them or anything, just talking from my expirence.

EDIT:

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Anita Sarkeesian = All feminism is now cancer

ALL the feminist  i encountered happened to be feminazis (radical feminist), and of course, they called me an "compulsive masturbator" or a "mysogynist" just because i disagree with them  -__-

The line betwwen "modern feminist" and "feminazi" is very thin nowadays.

EDIT 2: i agree that they are still racial problems in this time and age, but you know that BLM is wrong in ( their way of doing things) when even other blacks critize it:

I'm sorry, but you really missed Cody's point. So, he stated this:

It doesn't matter how many articles you read or videos you read on the worst part of an overall group, they are the vocal minority and do not represent the group at large.

Basically saying that one person's voice doesn't represent the entire group. You then proceed to try to state that not all gamers hate women, which is what Cody originally had said in the first place. You then argue that every feminist you have ever encountered is pretty well exactly the same.

The problem here is that saying that all feminists are the same is like saying all gamers hate woman. It's a very broad generalization, and it's wrong to fight against generalizations that affect you but continue to make generalizations about other people.

Now, you then make points as to why you don't agree with BLM. I am not saying that you have to agree with everything that they do or every supporter. But, making comments such as this:

EDIT 2: is just me or black people want special treatment after having 30 years of equality?

really misses the point and shows why we still need a discussion on race relations in America. I don't care if you don't agree with every single person online, but to deny that there ARE still race problems is not good. I'm very glad that you did admit that there are still issues on your last post, however.

[ZpaceJ0ck0]

Regarding feminist, i never said that all feminist to ever exist in this world are the same, i said that the line between "modern feminist" and "feminazi" is very thin nowadays (that's a subtle yet important difference) and that all the feminist that I encountered so far are the same (i haven't encoutered every feminist on the internet, mind you).

[BumblebeeCody*]

Talking from my experience (of talking with menbers of that group), i can say not all gamergaters hate women, they simply hate SJW a lot and want more "transparency" in videogame journalism.

I'm not defending them or anything, just talking from my expirence.

Fair enough and I am hypocritical in that I generally have nothing nice to say about the group

ALL the feminist  i encountered happened to be feminazis (radical feminist), and of course, they called me an "compulsive masturbator" or a "mysogynist" just because i disagree with them  -__-

The line betwwen "modern feminist" and "feminazi" is very thin nowadays.

Based on what you said here:

Regarding feminist, i never said that all feminist to ever exist in this world are the same, i said that the line between "modern feminist" and "feminazi" is very thin nowadays (that's a subtle yet important difference) and that all the feminist that I encountered so far are the same (i haven't encoutered every feminist on the internet, mind you).

Then I understand you point a bit better. When you meet someone like that in person then your only perception would be negative so I can't blame you for thinking like that.

EDIT 2: i agree that they are still racial problems in this time and age, but you know that BLM is wrong in ( their way of doing things) when even other blacks critize it:

True but that has often been the case with strong social movements. Other black people may criticise the movement because they view it from a different angle. They take it from a different approach much like Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. It's two people of the same background but with two different stances on the subject. It's not that the movement is wrong when your own people criticise it, it's that they disagree with the methods of your approach to the subject.


Important note; Keep in mind I'm not targeting you specifically SpaceJockey and nor should anyone else, I'm just saying this on a more general level. I've seen this kind of conversation come up plenty of times on these topics where, for some reason, a single incident voids any legitimacy an entire movement has. The two most recent being Jessie Williams's speech at the BET awards and this shooting. What it comes down to is a group of people who have been known to be shot at and treated different taking a stance about these kind of events. We can debate all day on how BLM should be presented but there isn't really any denying the facts on incidents where a black person has been shot dead.

I'm not the most knowledgeable on the subject but from studying history and watching documentaries on American history, this type of black violence stems from a very painful and brutal history. It is rooted within American society and institutionalised racism still seems to be prevalent. Yes some might use it as a way of saying "you owe us"/guilt tripping but it does exist which is where BLM comes from and I also think it's important to note that it's not about saying white people are racist.