Secret Lab was a lot better than Void Quest. Still beat it the day I got it though. It helped that I kept running into the rare hand and I was able to wipe them out with pretty much just my almighty light attack.

Edit: Yo Takahashi, you figure out why people have been thrown into the TV yet? I only just got to the dungeon after Secret Lab but it's pretty obvious as to why. It's barely a better reason than what happened with Mooroka though.

(03-31-2015, 03:51 AM)RepentantSky Wrote: Secret Lab was a lot better than Void Quest. Still beat it the day I got it though. It helped that I kept running into the rare hand and I was able to wipe them out with pretty much just my almighty light attack.

Edit: Yo Takahashi, you figure out why people have been thrown into the TV yet? I only just got to the dungeon after Secret Lab but it's pretty obvious as to why. It's barely a better reason than what happened with Mooroka though.

Yeah, I'm actually at the Spoiler:technically final boss. I might need to grind if I want to beat him though.

Did anyone else not realize the Fire Emblem crossover was a crossover until they mentioned it?

(04-01-2015, 06:07 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Did anyone else not realize the Fire Emblem crossover was a crossover until they mentioned it?

I had honestly forgotten about it. I didn't care as much about Fire Emblem and Persona back then as I do now. Now, I feel like I have to buy a Wii U just for that. 

@Takahashi. I'm not surprised you got that far ahead of me. I stopped playing for a couple of days.

(04-01-2015, 06:07 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Did anyone else not realize the Fire Emblem crossover was a crossover until they mentioned it?

Looked WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much like a Shin Megami Tensei/Persona game. I didn't even get it until, like you said, Bill said so.

(04-01-2015, 06:07 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Did anyone else not realize the Fire Emblem crossover was a crossover until they mentioned it?

Nah, whenever people would talk about it they'd say FE X SMT. But people are more pissed over the fact that it looks like a Persona game and not a SMT game.

I don't know what the difference is but apparently there is one.

(04-02-2015, 10:36 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:

(04-01-2015, 06:07 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Did anyone else not realize the Fire Emblem crossover was a crossover until they mentioned it?

Nah, whenever people would talk about it they'd say FE X SMT. But people are more pissed over the fact that it looks like a Persona game and not a SMT game.

I don't know what the difference is but apparently there is one.

There is a difference, although I don't really know what it is (as I've ever played Persona 3 & 4). I know the social stuff they showed off is from Persona, along with the battle system, and seemingly the artstyle. 

(04-02-2015, 10:36 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:

(04-01-2015, 06:07 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Did anyone else not realize the Fire Emblem crossover was a crossover until they mentioned it?

Nah, whenever people would talk about it they'd say FE X SMT. But people are more pissed over the fact that it looks like a Persona game and not a SMT game.

I don't know what the difference is but apparently there is one.

The reason is (most likly) that more Amricans have played Persona 4 over any other SMT game. I thought Digital Devil Saga and Devil Survivor were spin-offs of Persona when I first saw them and so did everyone I talked about them with. That's what happens when you only relese the Persona games over here and not the orignal Shin Megami Tensei games.

Honestly, I thought the game was going to be an RTS like FE is.

(04-02-2015, 06:11 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 10:36 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:

(04-01-2015, 06:07 PM)Psychospacecow Wrote: Did anyone else not realize the Fire Emblem crossover was a crossover until they mentioned it?

Nah, whenever people would talk about it they'd say FE X SMT. But people are more pissed over the fact that it looks like a Persona game and not a SMT game.

I don't know what the difference is but apparently there is one.

The reason is (most likly) that more Amricans have played Persona 4 over any other SMT game. I thought Digital Devil Saga and Devil Survivor were spin-offs of Persona when I first saw them and so did everyone I talked about them with. That's what happens when you only relese the Persona games over here and not the orignal Shin Megami Tensei games.

Honestly, I thought the game was going to be an RTS like FE is.

From what I can tell, the first American release for the Megami Tensei series was Persona 1, although SMT 3 and 4 were released in the states. It was the Persona series (specifically Persona 3) that pushed the series as a whole into (somewhat?) mainstream popularity.

(04-02-2015, 06:17 PM)Takahashi2212 Wrote: From what I can tell, the first American release for the Megami Tensei series was Persona 1, although SMT 3 and 4 were released in the states. It was the Persona series (specifically Persona 3) that pushed the series as a whole into (somewhat?) mainstream popularity.

Tell you how much the original SMT series has been over shadowed by Persona, I had no idea that SMT 3 (AKA Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne) was released over here.

Also, Revelations: Persona came out in 96 while Jack Bros came out in 95, but that game was only for the Virtual Boy and nobody had ever heard of it.

(04-02-2015, 06:35 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 06:17 PM)Takahashi2212 Wrote: From what I can tell, the first American release for the Megami Tensei series was Persona 1, although SMT 3 and 4 were released in the states. It was the Persona series (specifically Persona 3) that pushed the series as a whole into (somewhat?) mainstream popularity.

Tell you how much the original SMT series has been over shadowed by Persona, I had no idea that SMT 3 (AKA Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne) was released over here.

Also, Revelations: Persona came out in 96 while Jack Bros came out in 95, but that game was only for the Virtual Boy and nobody had ever heard of it.

Totally forgot that was a Megami Tensei game. Yeah, no one really talks about SMT outside of Persona. Several other Megami Tensei have also come here (Devil Survivor 1 & 2, Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, Devil Summoner) but they haven't nearly gotten as much attention as Persona 3 & 4. Why do you think we have two different animes based on Persona 4, 3 Persona 3 movies, and P4 has like 4 spinoffs (SPINOFFS ON THE SPINOFFS).

(04-02-2015, 11:22 PM)Takahashi2212 Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 06:35 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 06:17 PM)Takahashi2212 Wrote: From what I can tell, the first American release for the Megami Tensei series was Persona 1, although SMT 3 and 4 were released in the states. It was the Persona series (specifically Persona 3) that pushed the series as a whole into (somewhat?) mainstream popularity.

Tell you how much the original SMT series has been over shadowed by Persona, I had no idea that SMT 3 (AKA Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne) was released over here.

Also, Revelations: Persona came out in 96 while Jack Bros came out in 95, but that game was only for the Virtual Boy and nobody had ever heard of it.

Totally forgot that was a Megami Tensei game. Yeah, no one really talks about SMT outside of Persona. Several other Megami Tensei have also come here (Devil Survivor 1 & 2, Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, Devil Summoner) but they haven't nearly gotten as much attention as Persona 3 & 4. Why do you think we have two different animes based on Persona 4, 3 Persona 3 movies, and P4 has like 4 spinoffs (SPINOFFS ON THE SPINOFFS).

Marketability. Simple as that.

Seems I managed to get a bad ending in Persona 4. No extra dungeon or true final boss for me. That really sucks. I didn't know it would happen that way. If I can't just try again from a certain point, I'll just end up watching the endings I missed. At the same time, I'm kind of glad to be done with it. It started to feel like the game was dragging on. I can't remember the last time it took me 60 plus hours to be a game, and I still managed to skip three months and not find out everything. I'm gonna go watch what I messed up and move on.

I loved the first Devil Survivor. I never beat it though, because its got a difficulty curve reminiscent of The Berlin Wall.

(04-02-2015, 11:29 PM)RepentantSky Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 11:22 PM)Takahashi2212 Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 06:35 PM)gamemaster1991 Wrote: Tell you how much the original SMT series has been over shadowed by Persona, I had no idea that SMT 3 (AKA Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne) was released over here.

Also, Revelations: Persona came out in 96 while Jack Bros came out in 95, but that game was only for the Virtual Boy and nobody had ever heard of it.

Totally forgot that was a Megami Tensei game. Yeah, no one really talks about SMT outside of Persona. Several other Megami Tensei have also come here (Devil Survivor 1 & 2, Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, Devil Summoner) but they haven't nearly gotten as much attention as Persona 3 & 4. Why do you think we have two different animes based on Persona 4, 3 Persona 3 movies, and P4 has like 4 spinoffs (SPINOFFS ON THE SPINOFFS).

Marketability. Simple as that.

Seems I managed to get a bad ending in Persona 4. No extra dungeon or true final boss for me. That really sucks. I didn't know it would happen that way. If I can't just try again from a certain point, I'll just end up watching the endings I missed. At the same time, I'm kind of glad to be done with it. It started to feel like the game was dragging on. I can't remember the last time it took me 60 plus hours to be a game, and I still managed to skip three months and not find out everything. I'm gonna go watch what I messed up and move on.

You have to talk your party down from Spoiler: killing Namatame properly. If you pick all the answers that imply that there is more to the case (they should say something along the lines of "we're missing something") you should be the path to the Good/True Ending. Just remember for the final question you've gotta pick the answer "calm the hell down!/shut the hell up!" (The slash is because it was re-written in Golden.)

(04-03-2015, 10:31 AM)Takahashi2212 Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 11:29 PM)RepentantSky Wrote:

(04-02-2015, 11:22 PM)Takahashi2212 Wrote: Totally forgot that was a Megami Tensei game. Yeah, no one really talks about SMT outside of Persona. Several other Megami Tensei have also come here (Devil Survivor 1 & 2, Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, Devil Summoner) but they haven't nearly gotten as much attention as Persona 3 & 4. Why do you think we have two different animes based on Persona 4, 3 Persona 3 movies, and P4 has like 4 spinoffs (SPINOFFS ON THE SPINOFFS).

Marketability. Simple as that.

Seems I managed to get a bad ending in Persona 4. No extra dungeon or true final boss for me. That really sucks. I didn't know it would happen that way. If I can't just try again from a certain point, I'll just end up watching the endings I missed. At the same time, I'm kind of glad to be done with it. It started to feel like the game was dragging on. I can't remember the last time it took me 60 plus hours to be a game, and I still managed to skip three months and not find out everything. I'm gonna go watch what I messed up and move on.

You have to talk your party down from Spoiler: killing Namatame properly. If you pick all the answers that imply that there is more to the case (they should say something along the lines of "we're missing something") you should be the path to the Good/True Ending. Just remember for the final question you've gotta pick the answer "calm the hell down!/shut the hell up!" (The slash is because it was re-written in Golden.)

I'm aware of that now but it's too late. I didn't know until afterwards and I saved it after that point. No worries though, I can speed run the game in new game plus mode in less than half the time from before.